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Goth_Skunk@Papa: So, as long as it's related to the subject matter, we are free to hurl insults at each other? Additionally, compared to MechaCrash, I'm a saint.02/22/2015 - 11:15pm
MechaCrashYeah, nobody is buying your passive-aggressive act. At least I own the fact that I hold you in contempt.02/22/2015 - 11:13pm
Papa Midnightengage in a passive-aggressive attack. To be honest, a lot of parties here seem to be far to vested in their own polarized opinions to even acknowledge the opinions of others, or facts (where there may be any), but let's not be hypocritical too.02/22/2015 - 11:12pm
Papa MidnightThe difference between them is their usage. One was used as a reference to the subject matter, and the other was a personal attack. Also, let's not begin to discuss the irony of stating that one's self can "remain civil", then immediately begin to02/22/2015 - 11:12pm
Goth_SkunkBelieve me Mecha, the feeling is mutual. The differnce between you and me? I can still remain civil. Something you're incapable of doing when faced with someone with a different opinion.02/22/2015 - 11:09pm
Goth_SkunkI'm curious as to why those two examples are tolerated, while 'scumbag' crosses a line.02/22/2015 - 11:08pm
MechaCrashThere's a difference between "fine," which it's not, and "ad hominem," which it's also not. I just don't respect you, so I don't care about hurting your feelings. I told you to grow up because that's the stock GG response to problems.02/22/2015 - 11:06pm
PHX CorpChanging the topic: I found out that 2 Star Trek Actors (George Takei as Hikaru Sulu and Brent Spiner as Data) became Voice actors in Star Wars(Spiner voices a "fake" Dissident imperial Senator named Gall Trayvis while Takei Voices CIS General Lok Durd)02/22/2015 - 11:04pm
Papa MidnightUnbelievable...02/22/2015 - 11:04pm
Goth_SkunkSo calling someone an idiot is fine? Calling someone a big baby is fine? Please, list the insults that are acceptable and the ones which are not. Also, who can and who cannot say them.02/22/2015 - 11:01pm
MechaCrashTHAT is an "ad hominem," attacking the *source* and not the *argument.* Calling someone an idiot is not polite, but it's not an ad hominem in and of itself.02/22/2015 - 10:54pm
MechaCrashOkay, yeah, I'll give you that one. I just think it's pretty funny that he's whining about "ad hominems" when he doesn't even know what it means. Remember that article where he said he stopped reading as soon as he saw the source was Kotaku?02/22/2015 - 10:53pm
Andrew EisenOkay, now "scumbag" is too far. We're better than that.02/22/2015 - 10:48pm
MechaCrashIt's not like the ability and willingness to say whatever vile things you want and not get challenged on it is exactly the sort of thing that article is decrying!02/22/2015 - 10:43pm
MechaCrashI mean, really, what's wrong with me, calling someone an idiot with no reading comprehension just because they obviously didn't understand an article and then *admitted* they misread it, how silly of me.02/22/2015 - 10:40pm
MechaCrashHaha, whatever lets you rationalize yelling at me while ignoring IanC, you disingenuous scumbag. Shall I just leave the bullying ad hominems to the pros in GG, then?02/22/2015 - 10:37pm
Goth_SkunkLest the rest of us devolve into the same kind of bullying ad hominems you profess, thinking it's acceptable.02/22/2015 - 10:34pm
Goth_Skunk@Mecha: No. SOMEONE has to call you out on unacceptable interactions with other members, if the moderatros and admins aren't going to do it.02/22/2015 - 10:33pm
Andrew EisenGG certainly is mentioned and the author does suggest that it appears to be "on its last legs" but it's still not a "Gamergate is dead" article any more than it's a Malcolm in the Middle article.02/22/2015 - 10:20pm
MechaCrashHey Goth, can you do us all a favor and take your tone-policing and pearl-clutching and cram it? Or maybe at least be a *little* less blatant about using it as a shorthand for "I have no rebuttal so I'll whine about your tone"? Thanks!02/22/2015 - 10:19pm
E. Zachary KnightAE: It is if all you do is read the title and then jump to conclusions.02/22/2015 - 10:17pm
Andrew EisenIt's not a "Gamergate is dead" article either.02/22/2015 - 10:14pm
Goth_SkunkTo heck with the Oscars! I've got South Park to play. o/~ There once was a maiden from Stormberry Hollow... o/~02/22/2015 - 10:13pm
Wonderkarpnow back too the oscars. im gonna be miffed if keaton doesnt win02/22/2015 - 10:08pm
Wonderkarpdont worry about mechacrash, gs. he doesnt deserve it.02/22/2015 - 10:07pm
Wonderkarpyou know, i was mistaken in the driving out bit. i missed it, but its another gamerfate is dead article. which its not. its still drivel.02/22/2015 - 10:06pm
Goth_Skunk@MechaCrash: Uncalled for.02/22/2015 - 10:03pm
Andrew EisenWhat did you mean by "stamp them out" and "drive them out"?02/22/2015 - 9:30pm
Wonderkarpi never said remove them from the internet.02/22/2015 - 9:23pm
Andrew EisenIt is not an attack on people who enjoy video games, comic books and action figures nor is it calling for their removal from the internet.02/22/2015 - 9:07pm
Andrew EisenThe article's conclusion is that as the internet grows, people on it who do bad things "will be pushed further and further into the fringe" and hopefully we've seen the worst of it.02/22/2015 - 9:06pm
Andrew EisenDespite the title, the article is an examination, not a call to action.02/22/2015 - 9:04pm
Andrew EisenI'm getting the sense that you read the article title and that's about it.02/22/2015 - 9:03pm
Andrew EisenWhere does it say anything about driving anybody off the internet?02/22/2015 - 9:02pm
Wonderkarpuhh.. the entire thing? like, not literally. but to drive them out.02/22/2015 - 8:55pm
Andrew EisenWhere does it say anything about stamping anybody out?02/22/2015 - 8:47pm
MechaCrashGrow a thicker skin, you big baby.02/22/2015 - 8:46pm
Wonderkarpwhat about the need to stamp them out?02/22/2015 - 8:38pm
MechaCrashI did, and since I actually understood it, let *me* summarize: "these people are angry that places that used to cater exclusively to them aren't anymore and are lashing out at the perceived invaders."02/22/2015 - 8:27pm
Wonderkarpheed your advice, mecha. everything i said is in it02/22/2015 - 8:10pm
Craig R.Most people in GG prefer anonimity because they don't want to have the tactics they use on others used against them. Imagine that.02/22/2015 - 7:48pm
E. Zachary KnightMechta, That is all too true.02/22/2015 - 7:28pm
MechaCrashAnyway, I suggest actually reading the article, because trusting the word of idiots with no reading comprehension is what got people angry over Leigh Alexander too.02/22/2015 - 7:12pm
MechaCrashRight, it's just *assumed* you're a white male, and stating otherwise is just trying to stake special snowflake status.02/22/2015 - 7:11pm
WonderkarpI love how they use White Men as a sort of class, and insist that Gamergate is trying to defend it...when most people supporting Gamergate prefer anonymity, where being a white male means absolutely nothing.02/22/2015 - 6:17pm
WonderkarpOh, and the mass shooting reference? always nice to squeek one of those in when you are talking about white nerds02/22/2015 - 6:09pm
WonderkarpAnyone who values their time. Here's the cliffnotes. Bla Bla Bla, Nerd Rage, Bla Bla Bla, Gamergate hates women Bla Bla Bla, 4chan pretending to be black people on twitter, bla bla bla WE MUST DESTROY THEM!02/22/2015 - 6:08pm
Andrew EisenAnyone who's interested, I encourage you to actually read the article for yourself and see what it says.02/22/2015 - 6:06pm
WonderkarpI'm not upset, I'm just pointing out that its crap02/22/2015 - 6:02pm
Wonderkarpthe "Hoping" That we have reached the Peak of the violence before they get faded away. Yeah. Its utter garbage.02/22/2015 - 6:01pm
Andrew EisenAnd here is one of the larger problems I've noticed from that past half year or so: a shocking number of people are getting upset by or otherwise criticizing things that no one (except some random internet goobers) are actually saying.02/22/2015 - 6:00pm
Wonderkarpthe nerdy white mans internet before they nuke us all" its crap. Its drivel crap.02/22/2015 - 5:59pm
Wonderkarpyeah it does. The whole article telling the story about how nerds infested different cultures and got weeded out, and then has the ominous quote at the end about albert einstein dropping the bomb. its a giant smeer story. The moral is "We must bulldoze02/22/2015 - 5:59pm
Andrew EisenNo, that's not at all what it says.02/22/2015 - 5:56pm
WonderkarpIt is Drivel. It pretty much says Nerds suck. its a long essay about how Nerds, specifically white Nerds suck. Expletive that02/22/2015 - 5:53pm
Craig R.And shock of all shocks, if anything dares to speak out against your shallow little worldview, it is 'drivel'.02/22/2015 - 5:52pm
Wonderkarpam I really harping them for being women? I thought I just had a differing opinion with them, and think one of them is an idiot02/22/2015 - 5:50pm
Craig R.As I said from the start: the well is poisoned. You can at least admit how much you enjoy drinking from it.02/22/2015 - 5:50pm
Craig R.Yet, you spend all of your time harping on women; ethics is an afterthought. It speaks for itself.02/22/2015 - 5:49pm
WonderkarpI ate a bagel once and I liked it02/22/2015 - 5:47pm
Andrew EisenAs it always has been, they may disagree with your views but so long as you're not harassing/abusing/threatening anyone, no one (again, except random numbnuts on Twitter and such) have a serious problem with you.02/22/2015 - 5:46pm
Wonderkarpto patroning others. Niche Gamer, Escapist, Gametrailers. ect. let them flourish from my mighty clicks. I dont like SJWs in general(but I have a couple SJW friends who we dont talk about politics), and I am not 100% white. I'm a mix.02/22/2015 - 5:45pm
Wonderkarpbetcha Craig does. Andrew knows my opinion on Sarkeesian and Mcintosh. Wu's game is crap. I think she's ridiculous. I dont like Andrew Chou or Ben Kuchera. I think Games Journalism is rubbish, but instead of attacking Kotaku or Polygon or others, I stick02/22/2015 - 5:43pm
Andrew EisenNo one (except some random numbnuts on Twitter, I guess) thinks you or anyone else is a woman-hater simply for thinking Wu's game is rubbish or that Sarkeesian is full of it.02/22/2015 - 5:41pm
IanCBut hey, just ignore me, think of me as a women hater because i think Wu's game is rubbish and that Sarkeesian is full of BS...02/22/2015 - 5:39pm
WonderkarpIanC runs in like a glorious Sempai02/22/2015 - 5:38pm
IanCIm just an outside looking and laughing my head off at the stupidness of it all. I will say though, gaming journalism stinks rotten. I don't blame people for wanting that to be changed. But they need to get rid of the (small?) minority of idiots first02/22/2015 - 5:38pm
IanCBTW im not a "gater". Nor an "aGGro". Both sides have idiots. Both sides have good and bad. But GG at least seem to stand up and admit criticism, unlike the antis.02/22/2015 - 5:36pm
IanCWe all know the real reason, her game is crap and is gutty of everything she says other games are guilty of.02/22/2015 - 5:35pm
IanCMore BS getting spread around i see? What its about this time, how Wu confused real life with a TV show and decided not to go to PAX?02/22/2015 - 5:34pm
WonderkarpSoooo Sonic Runners looks awesome.02/22/2015 - 5:34pm
WonderkarpI will never speak for others. and I admit, I've been paying attention too her lately, but the discussion last night was the most energy I've put into the subject in recent memory02/22/2015 - 5:20pm
Craig R.That's because that's all there is to GG, E.02/22/2015 - 5:19pm
E. Zachary KnightWonder, you and other gamergaters seem to have an unhealthy obsession with her though.02/22/2015 - 5:18pm
WonderkarpCrazyness. I never targeted Wu :P Talking about somebody in Idle Gossip isnt targeting. The only interaction I've ever had with her is tweeting that I was sorry her dog died. Me gossiping with others isnt attacking.02/22/2015 - 5:15pm
Craig R.And oh look, #DontDateSJWs is trending on Twitter. Ethics, right?02/22/2015 - 5:13pm
Craig R.Oh, and something that article missed: the 'fake gamer girl' campaign. Who needs enemies when you can create them out of thin air?02/22/2015 - 5:10pm
Craig R.I'm sure Goth won't be much further behind to help defend the honor of the poor, helpless white male.02/22/2015 - 5:08pm
Craig R.I expected nothing less from a GGer like you, karp. But feel free to target Wu again to make yourself feel better.02/22/2015 - 5:06pm
Wonderkarpthat article is drivel, Craig.02/22/2015 - 5:04pm
Craig R.Didn't intend to go right back into this subject, but saw this published and, as a (once upon a time) nerdy (still) white (still) man, I can't disagree with it at all02/22/2015 - 3:09pm
Craig R.The Kernel: We must bulldoze what’s left of the nerdy white men’s Internet - 3:08pm
MechaCrashSaying "these people are a bunch of dicks" is totally morally equivalent to "if you give your speech, I will shoot up this school."02/22/2015 - 2:45pm
Papa Midnightat your speaking engagement. I hope that side isn't the one trying to take the moral highground in this.02/22/2015 - 2:43pm
Papa MidnightIt's hard not to respond to something when your phone is being bombarded with prank calls, hangups, Darth Vader breathing, etc., or (in the case of other persons), people post revealing photos of you, or threaten to engage in a mass shooting02/22/2015 - 2:43pm
Papa MidnightEZK: I think that goes both ways, especially when said persons in GamerGate seem to be in the business of engaging in a witchhunt and/or hounding.02/22/2015 - 2:41pm
Craig R.Minecraft's success as an indie early access probably didn't help matters any02/22/2015 - 2:38pm
MechaCrashYeah, I think Steam's EA/GL programs hurt them. They opened the floodgates and learned they were holding back a tidal wave of crap. :(02/22/2015 - 1:14pm
Matthew Wilson@EZK agreed02/22/2015 - 1:05pm
Craig R.Was an Early Access title. To hit 'release' they stripped some features and the rest of the game is still buggy and incomplete. The hell?02/22/2015 - 12:56pm
Craig R.And to prove the point, the game Caribbean! went 'full release' on Steam (and GOG) the other day.02/22/2015 - 12:55pm
Craig R.Read an article recently iirc on Kotaku about how terrible Steam has gotten with Greenlight and Early Access02/22/2015 - 12:55pm
E. Zachary KnightDo those in GamerGate realize that if they just ignored Wu, she would probably stop bothering them? You know, don't feed the trolls?02/22/2015 - 11:37am
Craig R.Can't wait to see which small game developer or reviewer GG goes after next! Oh, wait, I know: Wu and Sarkeesian. Again.02/22/2015 - 11:18am
Craig R.Now excuse me while I go laugh for awhile02/22/2015 - 11:16am
Craig R.Well, I'm glad to see that by going after women and a few lesser publications, that the big wigs like EA are now on their 'best behvaior' as a result02/22/2015 - 11:16am
prh99I use SJW to describe the more militant, but obnoxious twits works as well. As far as Wu goes, below is what I find irritating. As far as her game etc good luck to her.02/22/2015 - 2:32am
Andrew Eisenprh99 - No, obnoxious twits would be having a fit. Most people, SJW or otherwise, recognize that as a simple typo.02/22/2015 - 2:18am
Papa MidnightMy goodness, I log into Burnout Paradise for the first time in ages, see my 100% completion license with a picture of me from Feb. 2009, and last seen for half my friends list... 2129 days ago. Oh... my... gosh...02/22/2015 - 1:57am
prh99Oops forgot the "s" on the she in my first comment. If this was Twitter or Tumblr SJWs would be having a fit.02/22/2015 - 1:06am
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