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Andrew EisenI don't recall Extra Credits condemning GamerGate. Was that a video or a blog post somewhere?02/05/2015 - 5:37pm
Andrew EisenFair enough. For what it's worth, the boss fights were improved in the Director's Cut (the version I played).02/05/2015 - 5:36pm
MGDang, link was cut sorry. - 5:34pm
MGThe reason why I ask is because why you are telling is that you hate when the illusion of choice is not well done. KOTOR did the same thing as Mass Effect and Deus EX, but KOTOR is better at the illusion of choice. Here is a link to that episode.https://02/05/2015 - 5:33pm
Goth_Skunk@AE: DE:HR's ending was further tainted for me because I couldn't stand the game's boss fights.02/05/2015 - 5:33pm
Goth_Skunk@MG: When Extra Credits was dropped by the Escapist, I did not make a strong effort to follow them on their transition to Penny Arcade. I lost interest. Their public condemnation of GamerGate ensured I would never watch another episode of theirs again.02/05/2015 - 5:31pm
Andrew EisenI'd give the edge to Deus Ex. While both boiled down to "would you like ending 1, 2 or 3 (or 4 in Deus Ex's case))?", I felt Deus Ex's endings were a bit more distinct in both presentation and theme.02/05/2015 - 5:28pm
MGI should ask Goth, have you seen the three part series by Extra Credits on choice in games?02/05/2015 - 5:28pm
Goth_Skunk@Sergo: And while critics of that scenario pine over it, it was STILL a better ending than Deus Ex: Human Revolution. That's what I told myself after I beat ME3.02/05/2015 - 5:22pm
Goth_SkunkAnd that's unfortunate. On the other hand, it would also be unfortunate in a 40gigabyte game to only get 10 gigabytes worth of context in a single playthrough.02/05/2015 - 5:21pm
SergoAlso, the ending amounts to "push button, kind of save universe"02/05/2015 - 5:20pm
Goth_SkunkThere doesn't seem to be many games lately that allow the player to drastically alter the course of the story by makign choice A or B lately. Or, if the game DOES allow it, it's usually very short, like The Stanley Parable.02/05/2015 - 5:20pm
Goth_Skunkthroughout the game. Real, genuine branching storylines. But in the last few years, games do not seem to branch that much anymore. Nowadays it's more like "You're going to take *this* action. Pick whether you do so heroically, or rogueishly."02/05/2015 - 5:18pm
MGThe main complaint about the ending was the same as someone complaining about their blender not making a smoothie as fast as the comercial said. Sorry Accidental deletion (1/2)02/05/2015 - 5:17pm
Goth_Skunk@MG: You know what? You're right. There *has* been a decline lately in many games about just how much agency the player has. I remember playing Knights Of The Old Republic 1, you could get very, VERY different endings based on your choices and actions02/05/2015 - 5:17pm
MG(2/2) Their were some dealing with the universe details, but it was mostly about how it was not what they felt was promised to them. Also the player are still the audience, you don't have true agency, just what the creator allows you to feel.02/05/2015 - 5:13pm
Goth_Skunk@MG: Well, that's how I saw it. How you saw it was how you saw it.02/05/2015 - 5:10pm
Goth_SkunkThe fans expected better. They *know* that BioWare could do better.02/05/2015 - 5:09pm
Goth_Skunkexpectations of how an epic BioWare franchise title ought to end.02/05/2015 - 5:09pm
Goth_SkunkBut before I get too off topic, the average amount of time invested in the Mass Effect trilogy is around 120 hours per person. Some people -- not myself -- felt that the ending to the story, after that much time invested, was weak and did not meet ...02/05/2015 - 5:08pm
Goth_SkunkThough having said that, that doesn't explain the remakes of the original Spiderman, Batman, and Hulk films...02/05/2015 - 5:02pm
Goth_SkunkThat loss of agency is why movies aren't ever re-done if the audience thinks they're crap. They're just forever pined as crap movies.02/05/2015 - 5:01pm
james_fudgeAnd what sego said.02/05/2015 - 4:59pm
Goth_Skunk@MG: In a movie, an observer has no active participation, no role to play other than to observe and take in. In a game, the player directs how the story will play out, the actions that will be taken.02/05/2015 - 4:59pm
james_fudgeI enjoyed that Kotaku piece. He talked to lots of principles mentioned in the interview(s).02/05/2015 - 4:59pm
SergoIts about ethics in games journalism, silly :P02/05/2015 - 4:13pm
Andrew EisenSo I've heard it said but I've never seen any evidence of untrustworthy reporting. Are you concerned that the quotes from Chow, Boyer and McGrath are made up or something?02/05/2015 - 3:49pm
IanCGawker aren't the most trustworthy when it comes to anti-GG stories tbh.02/05/2015 - 3:41pm
E. Zachary KnightHere is Kotaku's investigation of the Allistair claims from yesterday. - 3:24pm
MGThanks james, Most of it is my idea from my love of storytelling. Part of it is also from the forum discussion I have with a nice group of people dealing with a podcast series. It was called Digital Gonzo earlier, but now goes by Digital Drift.02/05/2015 - 2:43pm
james_fudgeI wish I could like your comment, MG.02/05/2015 - 2:16pm
MGWell, I would say that is was childish to do that Info. It also shows that people still think of games as products, not as an artform. You don't do that if you don't like the way a movie ends, why do it for a game?02/05/2015 - 2:12pm
Andrew EisenSome brief thoughts I had on the kerfuffle back in the day. - 2:11pm
Andrew EisenComplaining to the BBB about a video game's ending? Yeah, I'd say you can make a pretty compelling argument for entitlement.02/05/2015 - 2:07pm
InfophileAE: There was a fair bit of... harsh criticism for those who complained to the Better Business Bureau about ME3's ending.02/05/2015 - 1:40pm
Andrew EisenI will also argue that no one was called an "entitled manchild" simply for not liking the ending of Mass Effect 3.02/05/2015 - 1:19pm
Andrew EisenAnd again, I have seen absolutely zero examples of anyone being called anything along the lines of a "misogynistic scumbag" simply for criticizing someone.02/05/2015 - 1:17pm
Andrew EisenGoth - You're only a real person if you support the narrative? Who said that? What narrative? Real person? What does that even mean?02/05/2015 - 1:16pm
ZippyDSMlee - 11:54am
james_fudgeNo one has ever flown me anywhere.02/05/2015 - 10:36am
MechaCrashAh, right, as opposed to today, where if you point out questionable trends in games you're a SJW white knight, and if you say anything nice about an indie game you're a shill.02/05/2015 - 8:55am
Goth_SkunkAnd to be fair, the conflict of interest WAS discussed, at least on Ars Technica. But the consensus seems to be -- even from Ben Kuchera -- that as long as you fully disclose that, it's fine. - 8:28am
Goth_SkunkNot like today, where you're only a real person if you support the narrative. Criticize us, and you're a misogynistic scumbag. Complain about the ending to a AAA game we gave a high score to, and you're an entitled man-child.02/05/2015 - 8:25am
Goth_SkunkAhh. THAT I found (Thank you Andrew). And you're right Mecha, it was extremely unethical and should've been much more of a "Foul!" cried out. But that was five years ago, at a time when game journalists still treated their readership like people.02/05/2015 - 8:24am
MechaCrashYeah, I think I got two half remembered stories mixed up. Consider that specific example retracted, but not the general thrust of "why is nakedly buying journalists not given the stinkeye." There's a reason Consumer Reports doesn't take ads, y'know.02/05/2015 - 8:11am
E. Zachary KnightNot sure where Mecha got the idea Nintendo flew people to Hawaii, because that was Capcom.02/05/2015 - 8:06am
Goth_SkunkNext, calling the IGF awards 'small' is grossly unfair to the people that submit entries. That's like calling the Sundance film festival a 'blip on a radar,' for the relative industry.02/05/2015 - 3:14am
Goth_SkunkI just googled "Nintendo Flies People to Hawaii" and found nothing.02/05/2015 - 3:11am
Goth_Skunk@MechaCrash: Allistair was, to the best of my knowledge, unemployed at the time of the Shadows of Mordor fiasco. As for Nintendo flying people to Hawaii, what are you talking about?02/05/2015 - 3:10am
ZippyDSMleeMight be nice to have a shout archive handy handy....sicne no one leaves the forum alive LOL02/04/2015 - 11:56pm
prh99First might I suggest a text area instead a text box the shout box, iOS seems to hate the later. :) As many of those games as there you'd think traveler's tale would have it down.02/04/2015 - 11:52pm
ZippyDSMleeI iz a #1, YAY!02/04/2015 - 11:48pm
Andrew EisenJaw dropping! What can I say? As much as I gripe about the bugs, I'm a total mark for LEGO games! LEGO Jurassic World trailer: - 11:17pm
MechaCrashThe fact that the payola was done by people GG likes and the "scandal" for an awards thing for games GG hates the existence of is SURELY just a coincidence, and ethics is assuredly not a smoke screen, not at all.02/04/2015 - 10:26pm
MechaCrashBecause turning a small games award into a circlejerk and people working in the same industry being on a mailing list is clearly a much bigger story than naked payola.02/04/2015 - 10:24pm
MechaCrashDid this Allistair guy ever say anything about the Shadow of Mordor thing, or Nintendo flying people to Hawaii to give them free stuff? How about any number of parties thrown by big publishers for press? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess "no."02/04/2015 - 10:22pm
Goth_Skunkleaves me strongly suspicious. Especially if that's all you can say when he brings up accusations of cronyism within indie games festivals and unethical journalism. With respect, I believe him. I don't believe you.02/04/2015 - 10:00pm
Goth_Skunk@James: I'm more inclined to believe Allistair, given that his name was thrown around in the GJP and he was essentially blacklisted. For you to say 'He doesn't know what he's talking about' while simultaneously having merely been a part of the GJP...02/04/2015 - 10:00pm
prh99As for me TB,GP, Jimquisition, and Yahtzee Croshaw are the only ones I follow.02/04/2015 - 9:49pm
prh99But pre-empting anti-muni broadband state laws written by cable companies and telecos is a good alternative I guess.02/04/2015 - 9:44pm
prh99Wheeler had a questionable start but he seems to have gotten the message how bad things are. I do wish he'd kept local loop unbundling as part of the Title II reclassification.02/04/2015 - 9:40pm
Matthew Wilson@jf my bad ether way the majority of companies were fine with it, and in the end verizon made it worse for them.02/04/2015 - 9:11pm
james_fudgeMathew, MetroPCS sued too if I recall correctly02/04/2015 - 8:53pm
james_fudgeAnd that is why you are #1, Mathew Wilson and even you, Zippy.02/04/2015 - 8:53pm
Andrew EisenGoth - Also, I hope my eventual article introducing the poll (when I can find the time to write it) will give an adequate recap of who Wheeler is and why our readers would care if they don't already know.02/04/2015 - 7:31pm
Matthew WilsonI will be honest 3 sites I visit the most for games coverage are youtube (TB), giantbomb, and gamepolitics.02/04/2015 - 7:25pm
ZippyDSMleeIts a shame GP can not afford a new forum system but I think as a whole the site more traction/hits to make any huge improvement worth while.Hell the main 2 game sites I freqant are GP and gamecritics.02/04/2015 - 7:23pm
ZippyDSMleeSowwy I even reduce my own IQ at times >>02/04/2015 - 7:20pm
Matthew Wilson@AE I get the feeling the only reason he is doing it is because verizon forced his hand. the only company that was not cool with the old rules was verizon.02/04/2015 - 7:17pm
Andrew EisenThis story from today should fill you in if you're interested. - 7:10pm
Goth_SkunkI suppose I could google him, but I can't be arsed, to be honest. The FCC has little bearing on what happens in Canada, so... :/02/04/2015 - 7:05pm
Goth_Skunk@Andrew: The fact that Tom Wheeler is FCC chair does nothing to help me understand who he is personally and what he may try to accomplish as FCC chair. So again, I ask, "Who?"02/04/2015 - 7:04pm
Goth_SkunkBut I continue to come here because, unlike other gaming sites, discussing things on the forums and reading what some people post doesn't reduce my IQ. For the most part, anyway.02/04/2015 - 6:54pm
Goth_SkunkAs wonderful a website as GP is, and as intellectually engaging its members have been throughout the years, I feel that the site has zero clout in the industry and we're all nothing more than figurative British chaps sitting around a table chortling.02/04/2015 - 6:53pm
james_fudgeit was a semi-joke. It was something he said prior to this interview.02/04/2015 - 6:45pm
Goth_SkunkAnd those who are, and are supposedly in it to act in my best interests as a consumer rarely, if ever, ask the questions I would like to have answered.02/04/2015 - 6:41pm
Goth_SkunkFurthermore, I'm not privy to industry analysis because I'm not privileged enough to attend gaming conferences on a regular basis, nor am I often privy to audiences with developers.02/04/2015 - 6:39pm
Goth_Skunk@James: There's no mention in either parts of those interviews about anyone with the surname Arendt. Nor is there any mention of anyone named Susan.02/04/2015 - 6:31pm
james_fudgei'd believe your industry analysis over his.02/04/2015 - 6:28pm
james_fudgeno I read the interview. I'm dismissing his points because he has no idea what he's talking about in addition to what he's said about Susan Arendt.02/04/2015 - 6:27pm
Goth_SkunkSo, you're dismissing his points because he's saying something about a familiar entity that you disagree with?02/04/2015 - 6:25pm
james_fudgeI can't take a guy seriously who claims Susan Arendt is a mean person. She's never been mean to me or anyone I know.02/04/2015 - 6:23pm
Andrew EisenGoth - You mean the poll? I thought about something along those lines but the poll question identifies him as the FCC chairman so I left it out.02/04/2015 - 6:21pm
james_fudgeboth :P02/04/2015 - 6:21pm
Goth_Skunk@James: Who is out of touch? Nintendo, or Alistair?02/04/2015 - 6:20pm
Goth_SkunkThe shoutbox needs an additional option. Option D: Who?02/04/2015 - 6:18pm
CMinerAnd that includes non-Nintendo games... wow. So you'd have to devote your entire channel to Nintendo only. Edit: Okay, you can still register individual videos. But still...02/04/2015 - 6:17pm
MonteNintendo is so out of touch02/04/2015 - 6:12pm
Andrew EisenOkay, so you can't register your YouTube channel with Nintendo if any of your videos cover games that are not on its whitelist. - 5:25pm
james_fudgeThat guy is so out of touch.02/04/2015 - 5:08pm
ddrfr33kHas anyone else read Alistair Pinsof's interview with TechRaptor? - 5:03pm
Michael ChandraThat's what I get for noticing news here I saw elsewhere and thinking I'd already read that article.02/04/2015 - 11:54am
Michael ChandraAh, didn't notice there were new articles, my bad.02/04/2015 - 11:37am
james_fudgeWe love coop at my house. We were playing Borderlands 2 for awhile02/04/2015 - 5:17am
IvresseI only tend to play singleplayer campaigns with FPSs, if they have a coop function I'll play that with my brother, but then give a passing glance at PvP multiplayer then move right back to the next game (or WoW)02/04/2015 - 5:13am
Goth_SkunkAdrian Chialmerz opines about Dying Light and the DiD trope: - 2:36am
ZippyDSMleeI really wish they'd make more co op and make it easy to to join in with friends,ect make it cross platform to maxmize friends being able to paly togather it be great, but mindless multiplayer rules still....02/04/2015 - 2:12am
james_fudgeI like coop a lot myself, though I loved Battlefield 3. I wish 4 hadn't been such a mess at launch.02/03/2015 - 9:28pm
ZippyDSMleeSo...anyone know why steam makes you do keys one at a time the eulas I can understand the keys not so much......02/03/2015 - 8:49pm
Sora-ChanIt's also why I'm looking forward to Splatoon for the Wii u, which will be the first console shooter I've played in over a decade. All other shooters I've played have been on the PC. Thinking on it, the last console shooter I played was Robotech: Invasion02/03/2015 - 8:11pm
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